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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: What's wrong with the RSS? |
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The home page now points us to the RSS to be notified of changes, but according to my reader (Flock), the last update was March 10, 2008 and references a page posted April 2, 2009. This entry reads "The very first page to appear on the rss feed! Woooo...? lol...".
I'd like to keep up, but the RSS isn't helping. |
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Tinalles Site Admin
Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 1630 Location: Grand Forks
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:44 am Post subject: |
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I suspect Lady just forgot to update it -- it's not automated like most RSS feeds. She writes the code for it by hand. And since (as far as I know) she doesn't actually use RSS for anything herself, I imagine it's fairly easy to forget or put it off. _________________ Keeper of The Remnant Minuon (cognomen Lucy, the Eaten One) and the Emissary Caeli |
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YatesOfYore Site Admin

Joined: 27 Dec 2006 Posts: 853
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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I've updated it every time I've put up a new page. If it's not working, I have no idea why. Any one else have this problem and/or an insight on how to fix it? _________________ Keeper of Nanashi's Vambraces and the Amethyst Trees.
PS: Don't panic! I changed my username - I'm not an impostor! |
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Tinalles Site Admin
Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 1630 Location: Grand Forks
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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I stand corrected (and should have just looked at the RSS feed before replying, to see that it is in fact up to date).
Lady hasn't included a pubDate field in the item entries to indicate when each item was published. Perhaps Flock expects that to be there, and malfunctions if it isn't. Can any other RSS users weigh in? Does it work with other RSS reader software?
[rant]
Since we're on the topic anyway ... Lady, you really need a content management system. A well-configured CMS would make your life a lot simpler. A CMS would let you instantly change the look of the entire site just by switching to a new theme. It would let you post your updates from any computer, no FTP required. It would take care of RSS feed generation automatically, in the background. It would probably even make it possible for you to post updates in advance so that if you go on vacation you could post a few updates with specified future release times so that they'd show up magically whilst you were lolling on the beach somewhere.
Continuing to maintain a site this size as a collection of static HTML files is crazy.
:-Þ
[/rant] _________________ Keeper of The Remnant Minuon (cognomen Lucy, the Eaten One) and the Emissary Caeli |
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Nem

Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Posts: 2108 Location: England
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Seems to work with Opera's one:
It dated all the bits before I signed up to the time I did but that's not really a bother. _________________ Never forget,
We stroll along the roof of hell
Gazing at flowers.
- Issa |
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Tenshi

Joined: 18 Apr 2008 Posts: 2594 Location: Star Stuff
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Works fine for me, with Google Reader. _________________ . Dubbed "Usagi" by AsA .
Keeper of the Siderean Swords
"If by chance some day you're not feeling well, and you should remember some silly thing I've said or done, and it brings back a smile to your face or a chuckle to your heart, then my purpose as your clown has been fulfilled."
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Tyris

Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Posts: 873 Location: Beneath a vast mound of curly hair
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| Tinalles wrote: | Since we're on the topic anyway ... Lady, you really need a content management system. A well-configured CMS would make your life a lot simpler. A CMS would let you instantly change the look of the entire site just by switching to a new theme. It would let you post your updates from any computer, no FTP required. It would take care of RSS feed generation automatically, in the background. It would probably even make it possible for you to post updates in advance so that if you go on vacation you could post a few updates with specified future release times so that they'd show up magically whilst you were lolling on the beach somewhere.
Continuing to maintain a site this size as a collection of static HTML files is crazy. |
Trouble is... with what? Comicgenesis and Drunkduck are both a bit... well... blech. Keenspot is by invitation only, and the snobbier for it. CMXpress is still in beta. What have we missed? _________________ You can't look dignified when you're having fun.
Dubbed "Tetris" by Asa... apparently.
Keeper of Nanashi's ghostly blue visage and Felucca's hypothetical ejecting nose-cone.
"It's a sad thing when a man loses his cookie." - Nem |
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Tinalles Site Admin
Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 1630 Location: Grand Forks
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Wordpress could probably do a decent job of it. Drupal certainly could (since Drupal can do essentially anything with enough configuration). If you wanted to get a bit more exotic, Omeka might do too, though I haven't spent much time studying its internals so I don't really know for sure. Or one could run up a collection of scripts in PHP or similar to at least partially automate stuff -- that's how Sarah Ellerton does it. _________________ Keeper of The Remnant Minuon (cognomen Lucy, the Eaten One) and the Emissary Caeli |
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Ravenna

Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 637 Location: Toward The Terra
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:13 am Post subject: |
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I have to be honest, I subscribed to the Earthsong RSS feed when it first started, and it's only now I realise that it's never updated once for me. I think I subscribed when I didn't really know how to navigate the RSS, and didn't pay attention to it until I saw this thread... _________________ Bernard [about the job]: The pay's not great, but the work is hard.
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YatesOfYore Site Admin

Joined: 27 Dec 2006 Posts: 853
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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So I tried adding a pubdate. Lemme know if this works for you now or if it's just borked everything entirely.
Wouldn't be surprised if it were the latter. _________________ Keeper of Nanashi's Vambraces and the Amethyst Trees.
PS: Don't panic! I changed my username - I'm not an impostor! |
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Ravenna

Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 637 Location: Toward The Terra
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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It's definitely not appearing in my list of RSS feeds, and Phoenix Requiem and Evil Diva always do. _________________ Bernard [about the job]: The pay's not great, but the work is hard.
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Tinalles Site Admin
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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I get a "server timed out" message when trying to access the file. Which is weird. _________________ Keeper of The Remnant Minuon (cognomen Lucy, the Eaten One) and the Emissary Caeli |
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YatesOfYore Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:05 am Post subject: |
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*sigh*
Anyone want to tell me what I'm doing wrong? 'Cause I've got noooooo idea. _________________ Keeper of Nanashi's Vambraces and the Amethyst Trees.
PS: Don't panic! I changed my username - I'm not an impostor! |
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Tinalles Site Admin
Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 1630 Location: Grand Forks
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:11 am Post subject: |
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I ran it through the W3C's validator service:
validation results
The error messages that W3C validators produce usually aren't very helpful to mere mortals. So, in my capacity as tech guru, I shall translate.
The first error is:
| Code: | line 14, column 39: Incorrect day of week: Mon
<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2009 16:00:00 EST</pubDate> |
Based on the text, you would think it was saying that the day "Monday" doesn't exist. What it's actually trying to say is that the 25th of November 2009 was a Wednesday, so the date as written is impossible.
| Code: | In addition, interoperability with the widest range of feed readers could be improved by implementing the following recommendations.
line 15, column 4: item should contain a guid element (84 occurrences)
</item> |
It wants each <item> tag to have a guid attribute, which uniquely identifies the item in the feed. The easiest way to do this is to use the URL of the actual new page. Thus:
| Code: | | <item guid="http://earthsongsaga.com/vol3/50.html"> |
However, it's not required to be an URL. That's just a convention that most RSS readers expect. if you'd rather, you can come up with your own ID scheme, maybe using something like comic-volume-page:
| Code: | | <item guid="es-3-50"> |
As long as all the IDs in the document are unique, you can do it any way you like.
The third error is:
| Code: | | Missing atom:link with rel="self" |
For reasons of portability, it wants you to replace the RSS tag (line 2) with:
| Code: | | <rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"> |
And then include a link to the RSS file itself as the first thing in side the channel section (line 5):
| Code: | | <atom:link href="http://www.earthsongsaga.com/feed.xml" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /> |
I'm not actually sure why it wants that, but it does. _________________ Keeper of The Remnant Minuon (cognomen Lucy, the Eaten One) and the Emissary Caeli |
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YatesOfYore Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Eeeeexcellent. Thanks Tin, I'll have that fixed up for the next update... unless I do something stupid like forget to change Mon to Wed again. _________________ Keeper of Nanashi's Vambraces and the Amethyst Trees.
PS: Don't panic! I changed my username - I'm not an impostor! |
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